EMS quote of the day competition

[Fred]

Re bad wiring:

[08:14] <simis> Yeah, it's better if half-broken shit just doesn't work.

+1 :-)

[Fred]

"I don't think any diagnostics are important honestly" - LOL, idiot...

[Fred]

<johntramp> i have a friend who wasnts to buy my microtech off me but i refuse to sell it to him
<johntramp> ill put it on trademe

Great testimony to the quality of microleb! :-) Dan wil back up your sentiments, I'm sure.

[Fred]

MegaTunix when quitting the application says this, in Spanish: "Are you sure that you want to stop smoking?" LOL, nice work! :-)

Actual text: "¿Estás seguro de que desea dejar de fumar?"

[Fred]

The most deadly thing in software is the concept, which almost universally seems to be followed, that you are going to specify what you are going to do, and then do it. And that is where most of our troubles come from.

The problem with feature naggers is that they actually think they make an important contribution by dreaming up a feature without understanding its consequences

These aren't EMS quotes, though it got an EMS spin on it when I entered the conversation. Full text:

[12:08] <jammi> http://www.peterkrantz.com/2011/softwar ... g-in-1968/
[12:08] <@diyefi-bot> Quotes from the Nato Software Engineering Conference in 1968 - Peter Krantz
[12:11] <jammi> "The most deadly thing in software is the concept, which almost universally seems to be followed, that you are going to specify what you are going to do, and then do it. And that is where most of our troubles come from."
[12:37] <Fred> good quote :-)
[12:40] <Fred> reminds me of alex babkin, an amd employee from forever ago
[12:42] <jammi> the thing that differentiates software from other engineering practices is still that there are practically no physical boundaries to adhere with, so an infinite amount infinitely different possibilities for each condition of the software is possible and only one of the paths is optimal
[12:42] <jammi> so developers have to practically find an unknown goal blindfolded
[12:43] <jammi> some are better at it than others and that's mostly about intuition imo. if you don't listen to what your intuition says, you are basically fucked
[12:44] <jammi> and that's why the simplest approach should always be implemented to at least a rough prototype stage, so the simplest path to the goal is achieved somehow before adding more requirements
[12:45] <jammi> and if the software is still somewhat simple at the stage it finds its first goal, there are still possibilities to optimize it. if there is a ton of features that already depend on it being as it is, it's too late
[12:46] <jammi> so in short: try to reach a testable stage as soon as possible, optimize/refactor, add the easiest next feature, repeat
[12:47] <jammi> at least that's what works for me
[12:47] <Fred> preaching to the choir
[12:47] <jammi> where easiest means the feature with the least amount of unknown factors
[12:48] <Fred> it's hard to beat off the feature naggers, though :-)
[12:48] <Fred> i hope other software inclined people in this room are paying attention.
[12:49] <Fred> they may be part of the choir already, in some cases, though
[12:49] <jammi> the problem with feature naggers is that they actually think they make an important contribution by dreaming up a feature without understanding its consequences
[12:50] <Fred> LOL
[12:50] <Fred> quote of the day competition winner ^

[Fred]

This deserves its own post:

and if the software is still somewhat simple at the stage it finds its first goal, there are still possibilities to optimize it. if there is a ton of features that already depend on it being as it is, it's too late

MS2Extra, and by extension, MS3, in a nutshell. Doomed from the start.

Fred.

[Fred]

Mark:

"I'm not too bright sometimes." Finally we agree :-)

"Luckily I'm a little better at welding and machining than I am at programming :)" I think little is a huge understatement. He seems to be utterly incompetent at one and quite good at the other.

[Fred]

"The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fucking temperamental."

[johntramp]

EDIT: About MS3:

I just double checked the code and it appears that fan control and idle-up (at least) are using unsafe code that could corrupt the injector outputs.

http://msextra.com/forums/viewtopic.php ... te#p301202

[Fred]

[03:20] <JermBob> i dont feel good about electricty
[03:21] <JermBob> i feel good seeing clouds of hot gas pissing out a 3inch pipe