I agree with Fred at least in the mean time, i tough manuals for that were easier to find, if not, don't bother. Manualise it, or later own add your own controllerFred wrote:Honestly, if the box is reliable, stick with it. Once you manualise it, you'll quite like it. Even I, slush box anti-christ, didn't mind em_knaps' manualised auto. Some of my biggest complaints about them are the way they shift and when they shift, which you control once you manualise it, or add your own controller.
2003 Toxic Tacoma
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Jeff I appericate it. I won't really be able to do anything until after january of next year. I haven't touched my car since april of this year, it sucks.ToxicGumbo wrote:Thanks, Hentai. Your enthusiasm was encouraging and contagious during your migration away from M$ equipment and I appreciate your contributions here.Hentai wrote:argh
So many blue wires!
otherwise congrats
And you're absolutely correct about the blue and I won't argue against it. However, it was wire that was readily available and I knew I wouldn't be happy with any color combination unless it matched the OEM loom, so it was a matter of sacrificing OCD tendencies in favor of getting the job done. Once the case is sealed, it'll hopefully hold out for some time and can be taken for granted.
Looking forward to seeing your FreeEMS/Jaguar controlled Miata tuned and dynoed!
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For reference, here's a link to my formal announcement as vehicle #23:
ToxicGumbo's 2003 Toyota Tacoma 2.4L 2RZ-FE (23rd)
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ToxicGumbo's 2003 Toyota Tacoma 2.4L 2RZ-FE (23rd)
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FreeEMS vehicle #23: 2003 Toyota "Toxic" Tacoma
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It's been just over a week since my first start under FreeEMS. During that time I've been researching transmission options and decided that modifying the existing setup is the best idea.
The big issue: what happens if I don't stay in Kansas? Most States require a yearly ECU check and drive the vehicle around to do a brake test. No proper tagging = huge fine and and possible impoundment if not resolved. For now that's not an issue, but I want to keep these things (no diags and custom transmission control) in mind so I can keep this vehicle on the road without incident. That FUD aside, I do want this beast to run FreeEMS and be both a daily driver and offroad capable, so onward an upward.
I've also been getting the right tools to finish wiring up the overhead roof and reverse/bed lights.
Most importantly, I've been getting things together to install the wideband O2 sensor:
A while back I bought a kit from Aeroforce Technology to add a wideband in my Solstice and connect to the existing Interceptor gauges. However, it'll live a better life in the truck. The sensor's a Bosch LS 17025 and the kit comes with quality wiring and a calibration controlbox. It also came with a bung for the downpipe and I've got a new powerdrill and steel hole saw to give that home. As for the welder, it's time to make some calls--at worst, there's a tool rental place down the road, but I've only got 110V at the wall--so perhaps I can just pay a shop to let me do the work under supervision; at best, I'll find someone around with a welder and some spare time that will give me a few minutes with it. Long term, I'll buy a MIG & bottle off of Craigslist and find a dedicated 220V line somewhere. Hate being uncertain about this, but that's one of the pitfalls of being in a new town and multiple trips coming up out of town ($$$).
The goal is to have W02 in by midday Sunday and the lights wired up before the end of the week.
As far as FreeEMS goes, Fred calculated some values--absent of the W02 sensor--for a genuinely smooth idle:
Other good things that happened: Fred gave a smashing presentation at a ReaktorWarsaw meeting on the history and purpose of FreeEMS and a handful of us were able to coordinate travel plans to meet up soon. Good times ahead!
-Jeff
The big issue: what happens if I don't stay in Kansas? Most States require a yearly ECU check and drive the vehicle around to do a brake test. No proper tagging = huge fine and and possible impoundment if not resolved. For now that's not an issue, but I want to keep these things (no diags and custom transmission control) in mind so I can keep this vehicle on the road without incident. That FUD aside, I do want this beast to run FreeEMS and be both a daily driver and offroad capable, so onward an upward.
I've also been getting the right tools to finish wiring up the overhead roof and reverse/bed lights.
Most importantly, I've been getting things together to install the wideband O2 sensor:
A while back I bought a kit from Aeroforce Technology to add a wideband in my Solstice and connect to the existing Interceptor gauges. However, it'll live a better life in the truck. The sensor's a Bosch LS 17025 and the kit comes with quality wiring and a calibration controlbox. It also came with a bung for the downpipe and I've got a new powerdrill and steel hole saw to give that home. As for the welder, it's time to make some calls--at worst, there's a tool rental place down the road, but I've only got 110V at the wall--so perhaps I can just pay a shop to let me do the work under supervision; at best, I'll find someone around with a welder and some spare time that will give me a few minutes with it. Long term, I'll buy a MIG & bottle off of Craigslist and find a dedicated 220V line somewhere. Hate being uncertain about this, but that's one of the pitfalls of being in a new town and multiple trips coming up out of town ($$$).
The goal is to have W02 in by midday Sunday and the lights wired up before the end of the week.
As far as FreeEMS goes, Fred calculated some values--absent of the W02 sensor--for a genuinely smooth idle:
Malcom2073 gave me an overview of these changes through the eyes of EMStudio, but I'm going to hold off on the last suggestion until I can get another log. My last logs were after the vehicle sat for nearly a week and underwent numerous timing cranks. I'd like to get a good log within a day of driving it around and on a full charge.Fred wrote:Basically you can make your engine idle a LOT smoother by ramping your VE down in the idle zones for constant fueling. Right now it's riding up and down a slope having physical feedback with which AFRs the engine likes more. Not too important what they are, just that they don't change. You can optimise what they are late with a good wideband but you can do the math now and get the VE table nicer.
What i'm about to suggest is going to be wrong, but...you can work on other bits later. Leave VE at 50 at 45kPa, change VE axis to be 50kPa from 60 currently, change VE from 50 to 45% at new 50kPa zones.
Make that tune change tomorrow and run it again, I bet you it's smoother. You could also raise fueling to 55% at 200RPM.
Other good things that happened: Fred gave a smashing presentation at a ReaktorWarsaw meeting on the history and purpose of FreeEMS and a handful of us were able to coordinate travel plans to meet up soon. Good times ahead!
-Jeff
FreeEMS vehicle #23: 2003 Toyota "Toxic" Tacoma
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Re: 2003 Toxic Tacoma
Jeff, with all due respect, the vehicle sitting for less than a week is bullshit and means precisely nothing. My truck sat for 2.5 years and fired up after a few mins cranking, then ran normally. I cone had a VW engine that was built in 1954 and sat in a shed for 15 years, I got that running almost instantly too. A week is nothing.
IE, the advice still applies, exactly as I wrote it.... the log wasn't involved in that advice. My knowledge of engine operation was. I gave Mike the same advice and he used it to great success. I actually started making these and some other changes for you. Maybe I'll complete that today and give you a new S19 which will "just work" better.
Good news on the wbo2! :-)
+1 on the travel plans.
The biggest hassle for your ECU compliance in other states will be your turbo. If you stick to PNP style ECU, you can swap back for checkups. Make your trans control stuff easily reversible, too. So keep all of the non-turbo bits unmodified so you can also swap those back on and de-turbo for inspections. Such is the life of a car lover in a non-free country like yours :-(
IE, the advice still applies, exactly as I wrote it.... the log wasn't involved in that advice. My knowledge of engine operation was. I gave Mike the same advice and he used it to great success. I actually started making these and some other changes for you. Maybe I'll complete that today and give you a new S19 which will "just work" better.
Good news on the wbo2! :-)
+1 on the travel plans.
The biggest hassle for your ECU compliance in other states will be your turbo. If you stick to PNP style ECU, you can swap back for checkups. Make your trans control stuff easily reversible, too. So keep all of the non-turbo bits unmodified so you can also swap those back on and de-turbo for inspections. Such is the life of a car lover in a non-free country like yours :-(
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Re: 2003 Toxic Tacoma
I haven't actually seen any grief given to anyone in the US over a turbo, but often people will fail inspections because they'll relocate their catalytic convertor (has to remain in the stock location) or remote it entirely in favor of long-tube headers and/or high-flow cats. Different strokes for different states, but generally if the smog output (where checked) meets a certain expectation and/or no computer codes are thrown, most modifications are considered street legal. Engines, at least, have to be the same age as the car or newer starting with vehicles in the 90s or something.
Here in Kansas, you just pay for registration stickers and some sort of yearly property tax nonsense. No actual inspection at all. My car's still registered for Louisiana, but presumably I can completely change it around and not worry. I just don't want to pay the tax on moving it here to Kansas AND the property tax just yet. So the only real threat at the moment is if I drive it back to Louisiana to renew its now-expired inspection stickers. I won't get ticketed here in Kansas with out of state Louisiana sticker anyway, hence the desire to just get it running and maybe have it reversible in the future should it end up anywhere else in the US.
Latest activity: making my wiring and vacuum tube runs more permanent and trying to seal the Jaguar in the actual ECU case. I'm really putting a lot of stress on all the dangly bits and want to get this sealed up and prepped for easy swaps until the vehicle can move under FreeEMS control. I'm also working on getting the WO2 wiring and sensor in place. Fred's taking some time to walk through his config choices specific to my vehicle and that's encouraging me to migrate my cloned repos over to Mac OS from a Linux VM. Looks like my EeePC battery's starting to fail too after sitting dead for so long. Ugh. I have enough juice to maybe sit through a single engine idle and pull a good log of how the recent config changes are playing out.
-Jeff
Here in Kansas, you just pay for registration stickers and some sort of yearly property tax nonsense. No actual inspection at all. My car's still registered for Louisiana, but presumably I can completely change it around and not worry. I just don't want to pay the tax on moving it here to Kansas AND the property tax just yet. So the only real threat at the moment is if I drive it back to Louisiana to renew its now-expired inspection stickers. I won't get ticketed here in Kansas with out of state Louisiana sticker anyway, hence the desire to just get it running and maybe have it reversible in the future should it end up anywhere else in the US.
Latest activity: making my wiring and vacuum tube runs more permanent and trying to seal the Jaguar in the actual ECU case. I'm really putting a lot of stress on all the dangly bits and want to get this sealed up and prepped for easy swaps until the vehicle can move under FreeEMS control. I'm also working on getting the WO2 wiring and sensor in place. Fred's taking some time to walk through his config choices specific to my vehicle and that's encouraging me to migrate my cloned repos over to Mac OS from a Linux VM. Looks like my EeePC battery's starting to fail too after sitting dead for so long. Ugh. I have enough juice to maybe sit through a single engine idle and pull a good log of how the recent config changes are playing out.
-Jeff
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Re: 2003 Toxic Tacoma
Good things that have happened recently:
-Jeff
- Found the EeePC power supply and am getting a full charge
- Routed the vacuum tube and some wiring successfully through the dash
- Most of the ECU is sealed away with proper disconnects so it can come and go as necessary in the vehicle, while also having extensions for USB and the run/load jumper
- Bought one of Alan's Wideband Lambda sensors with the embedded controller (looking forward to trying this out)
-Jeff
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Re: 2003 Toxic Tacoma
Fit your OEM ECU and put a meter on the O2 input wire to the ECU and watch it at idle once warmed up. Post your findings.ToxicGumbo wrote:Curious about the WBO2 controller's "Simulated Narrowband Output" feature.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWJeVnvLT3UFred wrote:Fit your OEM ECU and put a meter on the O2 input wire to the ECU and watch it at idle once warmed up. Post your findings.
Caption: "Mumbling out jibba-jabba while my bank1-sensor1 AF/O2 sensor heats up. The end result is to get the idle readings which show up briefly at the end, but why not add 3.5 minutes of random goofing around? This reading was taken off the stock O2 in a 2003 Toyota Tacoma."
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Re: 2003 Toxic Tacoma
Thanks for the tip off to skip a bunch. :-)


Seems about right ;-)

Seems about right ;-)
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