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Which Wideband Controller should I use? 
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Which one of these do others on the forum use or plan on using with FreeEMS?

LC-1 Wideband Controller w/Sensor ~ $199 USD + shipping
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

OR

DB Gauge with LC-1 Wideband Controller and Sensor ~ $209 USD + shipping
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php

OR

MTX-L: Wideband Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge ~ $199 USD + shipping
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php

OR

SLC OEM: Sigma Lambda Controller OEM EvK-Evaluation Kit ~ $125 USD + shipping
http://14point7.com/SLC-OEM.php

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Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:57 am
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LC-1 units are generally good, other people I have read about have had problems with them, but I havent had any issues with the ones I have used and currently still use though.

The SLC OEM units are meant to be the bee's knee's too ! :-)


Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:31 am
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Read this:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1033

I've got an LC-1 and SLC_OEM eval kit, I don't have both here, but I should get some use out of the SLC pretty soon and it certainly seems encouraging! For the price, it's hard to beat it. LC-1 is still a nice choice too, though they do have issues from time to time. Like Dan, I've not personally suffered those issues.

With the eval kit, you could potentially move your SLC module inside onto a future jag board to save space in your coupe ;-)

If I was going for the LC1 I'd probably go the 209 usd way and get the gauge almost for free. However having lambda on the dash is pretty much just for boosted apps where it HAS to be right or you melt shit. NA stuff really doesn't need that and you could do without the lambda on the car full time. It's still nice for logging and track days etc though. If you're whinging about firmware and driveability, I'm going to want O2 in the log :-)

My 2c :-)

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Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:46 am
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Thanks Dan and Fred for info on the LC-1 and the SLC, I just wanted to make sure I ordered one similar to what others were using to make troubleshooting issues easier. :-)

For NA applications do you recommend only using the wideband for tuning/troubleshooting and a narrowband for daily use or should I just stick to using the wideband as the only O2 sensor?

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Narrow bands aren't much use for anything except oscillating through stoich to keep cats functioning properly. You can do that with a wideband too, though. I see no reason for most people to use a narrow band sensor. If you have one on there already and don't mind adding a second bung, then you could log both. The narrow sensor could let you know when your wbo2 sensor is failing or becoming inaccurate, or vice versa, IF setup right and code added.

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DeuceEFI wrote:
For NA applications do you recommend only using the wideband for tuning/troubleshooting and a narrowband for daily use or should I just stick to using the wideband as the only O2 sensor?

This is probably answered a thousand times already...but what is the difference in lifetime between a (properly controlled and mounted) Bosch LSU4.9 and a narrowband lambda ?


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No idea, but 4.9 wasn't on the table anyway, was it?

The life of the wideband depends on the tune, power level, heat levels, rich/lean levels, etc. If there is any lead, its in hours, not years. I think they're supposed to go 100,000km or so, though. Pretty cheap if you think like that.

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you probably already got one but I wouldn't recommend a LC unit

NGK AFX
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0018MUNTM/?ta ... B0018MUNTM

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LM-2
http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorspo ... sbs_auto_6


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Hentai wrote:
you probably already got one but I wouldn't recommend a LC unit


Whats wrong with an LC-1?

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:54 pm
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I actually purchased this one a while back:

DB Gauge with LC-1 Wideband Controller and Sensor ~ $209 USD + shipping
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php

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