According to diyautotune's facebook profile, MS3 is released. No source code, yet, though.
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Re: ms3
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Wow, nail in the coffin, perhaps? Thank you very much for the link. I've saved copies of it, page one, and two, at 37 posts, just in case an editor goes a bit nuts on it...
Pretty sad, really. Someone should post something about the thousands of hours of work others have put into the modified GCC that they are using and suggest they share that.
Fred.
Pretty sad, really. Someone should post something about the thousands of hours of work others have put into the modified GCC that they are using and suggest they share that.
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Re: ms3
1. I'm glad to see they closed it. That presents a big opportunity for FreeEMS.
2. Hording any GCC work is an atrocity. Having closed it they should have gone to CodeWarrior IMO it would have been more cost effective for them to do so.
3. What bugs me most is the fact that they say GCC patches aren't ready to others on the freescale message boards when in fact they are using it to generate code for MS3. If its useable at all you should release something IMO.
2. Hording any GCC work is an atrocity. Having closed it they should have gone to CodeWarrior IMO it would have been more cost effective for them to do so.
3. What bugs me most is the fact that they say GCC patches aren't ready to others on the freescale message boards when in fact they are using it to generate code for MS3. If its useable at all you should release something IMO.
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1 Disagree. Agree.
2 Agree. Unsure.
3 Agree. Agree.
2 Agree. Unsure.
3 Agree. Agree.
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Re: ms3
In relation to the link by ca7, this will be of interest :
http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/files/beta/LICENSE.txt
I saved a copy, if it ever disappears/changes. (just let me know to rehost/paste)
Fred.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/files/beta/LICENSE.txt
I saved a copy, if it ever disappears/changes. (just let me know to rehost/paste)
Fred.
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Re: ms3
so what does this mean exactly with respect to using a patched gcc ?
they can't distribute generated binaries from the patched gcc without releasing the patched gcc itself that generated that binary/.s19 ?
they can't distribute generated binaries from the patched gcc without releasing the patched gcc itself that generated that binary/.s19 ?
Re: ms3
No, not at all. They can't release GCC binaries without releasing GCC source. Releasing s19 files generated with a GPL tool is 100% A OK. Much the same as emailing a private love letter to a girlfriend generated with Open Office is 100% A OK too :-)
I just banged it up to finalise the above discussion about source being or not being released. It's good that ms3 finally has a license, I hope they make it more obvious somehow so people know what they are in for.
Fred.
I just banged it up to finalise the above discussion about source being or not being released. It's good that ms3 finally has a license, I hope they make it more obvious somehow so people know what they are in for.
Fred.
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Re: ms3
They need to fix their first paragraph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaSquirt
The hardware is open in that the schematics are available for troubleshooting and educational purposes....................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaSquirt
The hardware is open in that the schematics are available for troubleshooting and educational purposes....................
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Re: ms3
From Wikipedia:seank wrote:They need to fix their first paragraph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaSquirt
The hardware is open in that the schematics are available for troubleshooting and educational purposes....
The software for the platform is open for modification (for use on Bowling and Grippo hardware only). The hardware provides for only fuel, ignition and idle air control in most cases, keeping the cost low (though there are user configurable outputs in most cases for other functions). The hardware is open in that the schematics are available for troubleshooting and educational purposes, but not for copying.
I always get a kick out of that. Like if you connect resistors capacitors and transistors to a microcontroller you are infringing on some right to protection. As if when you drive a transistor with an output pin you are violating a copyright. I mean, if that were true that'd be one thing. But it's mainly non-substantive on it's face. And of course I am certainly not talking about making a plain duplicate.
About the software, if it's offered without cost, then there's no 'Consideration' exchanged. If there's no Consideration, there's no contract. Any ability to limit the use of something after it changes hands must be based on a contract. For example, if you paid 10 cents in Consideration of the software, part of the purchase agreement might be a use limitation. Note: The use limitation may not include limitations on personal use, for you cannot limit a person's freedom of personal use of anything. That would not be legal, and all contracts must be legal.
How about the 'future sale' of something. Can a one-sided limitation be placed on the selling of something that someone has paid consideration for? No, not for the most part. You own it, you can sell it. Now, separate from the 'purchase agreement', the original seller can strike a 'future sale agreement' with the original purchaser (which may be written on the same piece of paper). The future sale agreement, itself another contract, can seek to limit the future disposition of the object. And if the purchaser agrees, the seller must pay the buyer some consideration. Often this type of consideration is in the form of a discounted purchase price.
None of this is unduly critical, it's Common Law and has been around for many hundreds of years.
Here's another Common Law. Does anyone making a profit have a right to protect their livelihood using all legal means? Of course. I think the folks at MS should be more vigorous in protecting the rights they do have. And take more actions to establish rights they currently do not have.
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