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Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:36 pm
by ababkin
Contrary to suggestions i've received, I personally experienced problem using 1K series resistor to protect an IO leg.
While not on freeEMS MCU, but on ARM, even though spec'ed as 5V tolerant, i tried to protect an SPI input leg of the 3.3V MCU while connecting it to an 5V device (so 5V to 3.3V levels), through a 1K resistor. The result was that i was not getting high levels through as i should have. So i added 240 ohm resistor in parallel to the 1K one (basically just temp soldered it right on the 1K' legs) and everything worked as it should.
So, the moral of this story is, keep this in mind and don't go overboard with the resistor value - this can cause erroneous behavior
Alex
Re: Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:43 pm
by Fred
Alex, it is not intended that these are used between on board chips for comms, the frequency and capacitance and inductance do not allow fast enough rise and fall times with an inline resistor. These chips are designed for direct connect possibly with a low value to ensure no short conditions are present. Additionally there are wired or modes available to ensure that this does not occur in a comms environment.
It is only intended for driving low frequency devices like injectors and coils etc.
Fred.
Re: Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:56 pm
by ababkin
Ah, makes sense now
don't have oscilloscope, but perhaps the signal was simply 'slewed'. I would be surprised to find out that carbon resistor would introduce significant amount of inductance or capacitance
Re: Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:07 pm
by Fred
Check out the wired or mode settings for your pins. Perhaps the SPI module takes care of it natively? I haven't read up on it but you can do it manually at the least on the xdp anyway.
Heres a link that shows the effects :
http://blog.vacs.fr/index.php/2008/04/2 ... c11-output
Fred.
Re: Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:13 pm
by Fred
That article is the opposite of course (sorry).
The way you set it up is to have a pull up resistor on the line and both devices pull down. Thats for two way comms on the same pin though. If it's dedicated I and O then you can probably just drive it directly, check the specs anyway, it should go into some detail about it.
Fred.
Re: Concerns about using 1K resistors to protect IO pins
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:26 pm
by ababkin
Thanks for the link (maybe this convinces me to finally get some scope solution)
my specific case had a 5V part (MCP2515) outputting the signal into 3.3V part (AT91SAM7) through the 1K res. In addition, i am thinking i had data rate of about 10Mhz at the time (which may helped the negative effect)
I really doubt the MCU would have that much capacitance on the IO pin. Different situation to the power transistor in the link.
Scope should show what's happening tho.